Pakistan and India- The Love-Hate Relationship of Two Brothers

By Manzer Munir for Pakistanis for Peace

Since the bitter partition that resulted in the creation of Pakistan and India in 1947, and three subsequent wars with each other, not to mention countless near incidents, the two neighbors have not had an easy relationship, to say the least.

However, mixed in with fear and hatred towards each other is a fascination and affinity to the arch rival on the other side of the Line of Control. In fact, one could say that the two have a love-hate relationship with each other. The recent wedding of Pakistani cricketer Shoaib Malik to Indian tennis sensation Sania Mirza is an indication to the amount of interest and hype given to the couple in media from both sides of the border, making them instantly one of the hottest and most talked about young couples in this Bollywood and glamour obsessed culture.

In Pakistani schools, children are taught very little if anything at all about Pakistan’s pre-Islamic history. Instead the children are told of the glories of the Muslim Caliphate from the time of the prophet Mohammed and then the grand rule of the Moguls of India with the construction of immortal buildings like the Taj Mahal in Agra, or the Badshahi Masjid and the Shalimar Gardens in Lahore, all three built on the Islamic style of architecture. Not very much emphasis is given to the great contributions that the people of present day Pakistan made as Hindus for centuries prior to the arrival of Islam in the subcontinent.

Criticisms abound by Muslims that in India, Muslim contributions to modern India are down played or not explored in the manner they are deserved. However, In Pakistan it is well documented those Pakistani textbooks not only do not teach about Hindu history and achievements, they actually teach hatred against India and Hindus. There is an underlying culture of hate and inequality based on religious grounds that permeates in the society despite Islam teaching respect for all religions and faiths. It’s as if thinking of someone as a polytheist makes them less equal as a human.

The mindset becomes that these non believers are infidels and this somehow makes it easy to dehumanize them or in some way think them to be inferior to you as a human being. Even the current terrorism situation in Pakistan has its roots in this culture of hate and to some level a dehumanization of people of other faiths, especially non-Abrahamic like Hinduism or Buddhism. To not recognize that ancient Indian/Hindu history is also the history of Pakistan does a great injustice to the shared history of one of the most ancient of cultures.

The natural history of this region shows that the origins of the Indian/Pakistani civilization go back to the end of the last Ice Age, more than 10,000 years ago, making this one of the oldest civilizations of the ancient world. This area of the world is a place which gave the world not only Hinduism, but also Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, and other religions and has been a source of spiritual inspiration since the earliest of times. But maybe even more important than the contributions in the field of religion are the ancient civilization’s gifts to science and medicine.

Albert Einstein once said “We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.” Indeed, Indian civilization is credited with the creation of the decimal number system, the binary numbering system, negative number, the origins of algebra, and even the all important concept mathematically of zero came from ancient Indian mathematicians.

Archaeologically, India has the most extensive and continuous record of all ancient civilizations, much more than Egypt, Sumeria or Mesopotamia of the same time periods. The ruins in Mohenjo-Daro and Taxila in modern day Pakistan point to the fact that there was a very advanced civilization present here and even the beginnings of one of the early urban settlements of the ancient world as they were remarkably constructed, considering its antiquity. Taxila is also the site of what is believed to be the first university or school of higher learning in the ancient world.

Also the ancient Vedic literature is the largest in the ancient world and contains thousands upon thousands of pages dwarfing what little has been successfully preserved by the rest of the world. This literature contains profound spiritual concepts, skills in mathematics, astronomy and medicine. Sanskrit is the mother of all European languages and Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to man.

Indian culture not only gave the world the game of chess, but was also was a place where some of the earliest innovations in the fields of surgery and advanced dentistry were developed as there is evidence of complex dental procedures being performed in the Indus valley some 8,000 years ago!

The celebrated American author Mark Twain once famously said of India that “India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grandmother of tradition. Our most valuable and most constructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only.” And not so long ago, in a statement made by China’s former ambassador to the US, Hu Shih stated that “India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border.” This is further validated by the fact that the Indian civilization is considered unique in that it never invaded any country in the last 10,000 years of its history!

By denying its centuries old Hindu/Indian ancestry and history, modern day Pakistan is willfully abandoning its participation and hand in some of the greatest contributions made by one civilization to mankind. Not teaching children the importance of the pre-Islamic history and beginnings of what is now Pakistan is actually a disservice to its people. Also, since the ancestors of all Pakistanis were at some point or another Indian Hindus, disrespecting Hinduism and pre-Islamic Indian culture in essence disrespects one’s own ancestors!

Pakistan can learn a great deal from its ancient brother in the fields of democracy, constitutional freedoms, economic empowerment and technological advancements. A culture of hate has only bred more hate that has now begun to consume internally a nation that has for too long wearily looked outside to its larger neighbor as its chief enemy, instead of as a brother.

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    • Mohan Kapur
    • April 23rd, 2010

    Thanks for the article.
    The first concept of India, Bharat or Hindustan, came when Ashoka conquered and united India. Then again it disintegrated into smaller states ruled by Kings of different regions. Later the concept gelled again by the Mughals who ruled for more than 700 years. Finally, the concept further took roots under 200 years of British rule. Mr. Jinnah, back in 1947, questioned the concept when he divided the country based on religion alone. This is the reason that Pakistan has been looking for an Identity away from its Indian Identity and are not able to find it. Sometimes they look to its arabic indentity or Islamic Identity which does not satisfy them completely and they are torn between the two. Pakistanis are tormented souls and I sympethise with them.

    • Neel,

      There is certainly animosity between the two countries. But you must admit that prepetual enmity between the two is not a solution and there has to be an attempt at peace. My article simply teaches Pakistanis to not hate their Indian roots. Once you do not hate or make your someone inferior to you, then you can actually attempt to see them as real people who deserve respect just as we expect from them.

      I do thank you for your comments and continued patronage to our site. A great, interesting Indian prespective like yours is just what we welcome as this shows a dialouge is taking place, no matter at how small a level!

    • Thanks for your insightful facts Mohan and for visiting our site! Please spread the word, there’s Pakistanis out there who want immediate peace with India!!!

        • indian
        • September 5th, 2010

        thank you my pakistani brother- will do!

        • You are welcome and thanks for visiting Pakistanis for Peace. Please spread this message of peace with others we hope to be alive to see peace in this part of the world one day!

    • neel123
    • April 23rd, 2010

    @ Manzer Munir,

    It is nothing more than fantasy of a handfull of people on both sides of the border that India Pakistan are brothers etc etc.

    Pakistan can never be a brother of India, because of a simple reason explained in this article, that hate towards India and Hinduism has been systematically injected into generations of Pakistanis, through school curriculum and text books, apart from constant bombardment through the media misinformation campaign of several decades.

    The Baburs, the Ghaznabis, the Abdalis are heroes in Pakistan, but in India they are barbarian invaders that plundered by force and converted by the sword.

    The mumbai massacre by the Pakistanis is still fresh in the minds of the people.

    In the face of the hard realities, the fantasies and wishful dreams of brotherhood is sheer waste of time and has no takers.

    First let there be an effort to be good neighbours.

    Being brother may be considered later.

    • Mohan Kapur
    • April 26th, 2010

    Manzar/Neel,
    It is true that majority of young Pakistanis have been injected with hate thru school text books etc., but in the age of globalization and advancement of technology and internet, the real truth can not be hidden from the Pakistani people any longer. The current public support to confront Jihadism in Pakistan is a positive and sustainable developement which further proves my point that Indians and Pakistanis, may not be brothers, but are the products of a great civilization ever lived on this planet. India, Bharat or Hindustan in not only a geographic country, but is a civilization. Sooner or later, Pakistanis will come to terms with it. What is needed is the greater participation from the Pakistani people to get involved in rationale discussion.

    • Ramanathan
    • March 9th, 2011

    I am impressed by your initiative and fully support the same.

    Religion is not the same as culture or identity. I am saddened by the fact that our Muslim brothers choose to adopt the identity and practises of the Arabians solely on the fact that they practise the same religion.

    It is the same case with the europeans who follow ISKCON or other related hindu cults etc.

    We need to be proud of our Indic identity if you want to call it Hindu identity or Islamo-indic indentity, feel free, but primarily what you need to be proud of is your roots.

    An arabian would never consider a indian or a pakistani muslim as a true follower what with the love for bollywood, holi (basant in pakistan), sangeet ceremonies in our wedding etc. Similarly, an european will never consider a south asian christian, christian enough (forgetting for a second it was Asia that gave birth to christianity in the first place).

    Be true to your culture/identity first, nation second and religion last. You can acquire nationality or drop it or you may chose to practise your religion or be an atheist like me however, we need remember that genetically it is the culture/identity that gets transmitted from generation to generation.

    • Great point Ram, and thanks for your words of encouragement. I think we agree on many things. Please go to our Facebook Group and Fan page and join both also as well as you are free to contribute to this blog for immediate posting of relevant original material that you would like to share with like minded Indians and Pakistanis across the globe. Thanks and take care~ Manzer for Pakistanis for Peace

    • PeaceForAll
    • May 12th, 2011

    Hi guys.I’d really love to see India and Pakistan be united once and for all.I’m a Malaysian Indian.I had never been to India nor Pakistan.But all I know is,there are some racist buggers on both sides.They must be changed.If not,those who want peace with India and Pakistan must stand up and fight for it.How wonderful would it be for both nations to work as one.They may rise together as ONE,economically and politically.You may wonder why the heck me,a guy from Malaysia care so much,that’s because my girlfriend is a Paki.She’s a golden treasure I’ve got from you,Pakistan.She was sent by her family to study in Malaysia.She often talks to me about the Indo-Paki war.She cries to me sometimes saying she wants to visit India and have friends there too but she cant.I not only want her wishes to come true,but also the millions or thousands of those who want peace.Long live India.Long Live Pakistan.

    • What a nice message PeaceforAll. Thanks so much for stopping by. Your gf, tell her to be brave and keep hoping for a better Pakistan. And tell her to be the best representative of her motherland. That is what she and others can do. Also, we want peace between India and Pakistan also as we are one people divided by religious beliefs. This is not what God wants, no matter which God you chose to believe in. Let us pray that peace comes to the Indian sub-continent, the Middle East, and all other global hot spots, so that mankind can finally progress and stop the cycle of mindless violence and attain everlasting peace. Please have your girlfriend and yourself join our Facebook page and invite others to join, as there is strength in numbers, and other like minded individuals like us can also join and spread peace. Thanks for your support and belief in our mission of Indian-Pakistani peace. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pakistanis-for-Peace/141071882613054

        • TellTheTruth
        • September 15th, 2011

        You are right. All paths are same in His eyes. I would like to see India and Pakistan live peacefully.

    • TellTheTruth
    • September 14th, 2011

    I remember someone writing that Hindus (Invading Nordic-White-Aryans) destroyed the Indus Valley Civilization. The early Aryans were Tribal people. Whereas Indus valley Civilization was spread across thousands of miles with big cities and forts, how could a few hundred invading Nordic Aryans (the person dubbed them “Hindus”) overtake such a vast civilization? It is ridiculous, meaningless. And there were no sings of conflict, weapons, armored men, or extensive burning anywhere. Moreover, the Aryans came and settled after the Indus Valley Civilization ended.

    The Indus valley people followed many cultures like a great common bath, Vedic altars(fireplaces for worship), and images of a “Mother goddess” and “Pashupathi” – Shiva and others were found. This makes the Indus Valley Civillization essentially Vedic!

    Another startling thing is that the Indus Valley Civillization ruins are giving out high doses of atomic radiation on par with Hiroshima and Nagasaki! They were, in fact, destroyed by atomic attacks! There are sites where bombs dropped, where everything was destroyed, fused, melted, and crystallized. Did those tribal Aryan invaders have Atomic bombs? What nonsense! In fact, the Aryan invasion theory is discarded by most linguists and historians.

    What are these governments trying to hide from us? Advanced weaponry in ancient times?!!! These people are not telling us the truth.

    Those Aryan people were simply settlers who took over the roles of their predecessors who were destroyed. The early Aryan settlers were worshippers of nature and natural forces. They converted to idolatory later! Indians have no mythological or historical records of any invasion of their culture coming from outer invaders.

    I request everyone not to believe in any false propaganda and start wars. Wars are useless. Wars are the biggest problems, they make life horrible for survivors. They, having lost all loved ones don’t even know why to live!

    • TellTheTruth
    • September 15th, 2011

    Good Job, Pakistanis for peace! Thanks to you, people will come out of hatred and let peace be in our hearts..

    • Thanks you for your kind words and for the feedback. Peace, Love, and Happiness go hand in hand in hand. Let’s spread the message between India and Pakistan, two inseparable brothers.

  1. Except Pakistanis, everybody will love to see peace in this area. Only Pakistan needs to respond positively. Will she? Where the deadly groups like LeT/ISI complex cultists breed hatred round the clock, it is hard to expect…?

    • Except Pakistanis? Well, there is at least this Pakistani along with millions of others that desire peace. They just need to be as vocal about peace as the extremists are about hate~

  2. Please do not take it a personal remark. Then the whole purpose of discussion will be defeated. I have and hold full respect to persons like u. But the whole point is that the peace loving people like u, as u rightly said that they need to speak, but will they? If they r ready to risk, I have no doubt that the peace is knocking ur door. I am with u. I shall be at ur door to fight with u. Therefore I hope u will kindly accept and appreciate my intent. In peace I take u as my brother.

    • Thanks for your comments Dr Sudrania. No offense was taken. I just want to make sure that you were aware that there are indeed Pakistanis who desire peace. They desire building bridges instead of destroying them. And there are individuals like myself and others on our Facebook group and elsewhere who are demanding peace and and end to all violence. Your initial comments were misunderstood by me perhaps since you started your comment with “Except Pakistanis, everybody will love to see peace in the area” I just wanted you to know and make sure that there are many Pakistanis like myself who do in fact want peace and wish the governments of Pakistan and India, would put everything else aside, and take care of what hasn’t been taken care of for well over 60 years now. Thanks for the clarificaions and subsequent remarks, again, no offense was taken as that sort of behavior goes against the whole purpose of this blog and our group. Thanks for visiting and fo4r the comments, and I look forward to your friendship so we can build bridges between our two brotherly peoples. God Bless. -MM

  3. Manzer Munir bhai, in fact I am deeply impressed with ur article and ur sincerity of purpose. Full regards to u.

  4. I have just commented on ur another post on Bacha Khan. I hope u will like it. He is in fact my Hero and an Idol. I love that man and feel very sad the way his whole brigade was crushed by the Jinnah’s brigade.

    You will always find me beside you in this pious work. But I must caution that I am equally a voracious critic of the wrongs wherever I see it. That said, I fully support ur good work.

    • Thank you for your support in our similar cause for peace and I look forward to your feedback and comments on various articles. Also, urge you to join us on Facebook at Pakistanis for Peace as well as our sister group Friends Across LOC. Search for either in the search bar on Facebook~

    • Saurabh
    • June 3rd, 2012

    it’s so nice too see that people having a pure heart do exists in Pakistan….why dont you guys rule your nation…i am sure you will do the job 10 times better then the existing ministry..i have always respected Pakistan as a nation..but you know the reasons very well why this respect often gets hampered.

    • Thank you very much for those kind comments. Yes we do very much believe in peace between India and Pakistan as we are brothers and part of the same mother~

    • surjit anand
    • August 29th, 2012

    I am 58 + from Delhi . My father is from Jhelum & mother was from Layalpur. I distinctly remember when I was in my early twenties & returned home one late night from work , found my father & a gentleman hugging each other, slapping , laughing like 6-7 year old kids. Had never seen my father like that . The gentleman turned out to be my Papa’s old chum from Pakistan . He mannerism, his words, his language, his gestures seemed very familiar to me- a sense of belonging…

    Yesterday I was in transit at Dubai airport on my way back to India from Peru. Heart wanted to reach out to my Pakistani neighbourers. And God did answered my prayers when I occupied a chair next to an elderly Pakistan lady. She was chatting with her son & her language , mannerisms seemed too familiar – reminding me of my own Grandma/ my mother in her face , in her lingo . I turned to her & said ” Mata ji I m Surjit from Delhi & your language , your gestures make me feel touch your feet ” She blessed me & started chatting to me . She was on her way back to Peshawar after her UMRA – pilgrimage . Tears were about to roll from my eyes becoz she reminded me of my mother. She expressed her desire to visit AJMER Sharief someday & I said i will definitely pray . Later I mixed with some young & old Pakistanis . Koi farak nahi laga muze between them & me . And I prayed silently for Indians & Pakistanis.

    Surjit Anand .

    • Biju Samuel
    • August 30th, 2012

    Very true Anand. A year back, I was in Thailand, Phuket with family. We were on the ferry towards Phi Phi island. There were many nationalities in the boat especially whites, Arabs, Chinese, etc. There was this one couple from Pakistan in the boat. Compared to all the other nationalities present in the boat, we felt maximum belonging to that couple and vice versa. All our family pictures were clicked by them and theirs by me. i would have been little more hesitant to make that request to others but with this Pakistani brother and sister, it was such a spontaneous and secure sense of belonging…..
    untruth cannot be forced for too long. Truth will show it’s pretty head sometime while the ugly head of untruth will slowly vanish. In the not so distant future, masses on both sides will be drawn to each other …to realize that we share the same DNA…

    • We share the same DNA indeed, “Haplogroup L”
      Thanks for sharing Bjiu, well said and a very nice story!

        • surjit anand
        • September 2nd, 2012

        Yes Biju, i am in tandem with you.

    • Liang
    • March 4th, 2013

    It is truly a pity the Land of the Western Heaven has splintered into five different nations. It is my sincere hope that both Muslims and Hindus will be able to work together, and that the ancient friendship between our two nations will be restored.

    • surjit anand
    • March 4th, 2013

    Sehmat hoon main dost . Its time for the younger generation of all our countries to take over .

    • Thanks for the kind words and for visiting our site. Indeed, we hope the future generations will give up this pointless and un-winnable fight between two brothers.

        • surjit anand
        • March 5th, 2013

        Pleasure is mine ,dost . Its always ek apnapan visiting this site .

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